WBCC Newsmail number 9, sunday 13 october 1996 Well people this is again a Newsmail from your Focal Point of the Worldwide Bi-metallic Collectors Club. It is going well as I look to the amount of members. Now we are with 17 Bi-metallicers (one without Internet entry) in the Club. By this time I think all members, accept the new members, have received a copy of 'The World of Bi-metallics' catalog. This is all positive. Now some negative, I want to reply to some members to be more active. This unique Club can only lives on when all members give there contribution how little you may think it is. 1. New Members...... Last week there are 2 Bi-metallic Collectors who have join the WBCC. Frans Woons from Canada and Tony Chibbaro from the USA. Their Profile will follow next week. 2. Algeria The Algeria country has made a 10 Dinar (1992 and 1993), a 20 Dinar (1992 and 1993) and a 50 Dinar (1992, 1993 and 1994) Bi-metallics. The 10 Dinar pieces are special ones. They are made with the metalls Steanlesssteel (outherring) and Alunimum (plug). By the letter these are Bi-metallics because they are made from 2 different metalls. But when you look to the colors: Outherring and plug are Silver colored. BTW: These Algerian Bi-metallics are very difficult to obtain. 3. Bahrein Till now known Bahrein had made one Bi-metallic 100 Fils coin in 1992 (AH 1412, KM-20). Now is there is a 100 Fils Bi-metallic from 1995 with the same picture and metalls (Brass/CupperNickel) as 1992. In the USA It can obtain ( for 3.50 US Dollars) by Eugene Canham, P.O. Box 109, Branchville, NJ 07826, Tel. (210) 948-3888. 4. Coin versus Medal aligment (definition from KM catalog) Quote "Coins are traditionally struck with observe ans reverse aligment at a rotation of 180 degrees from each other. When a Coin is held for for vertical viewing with the observe design aligned upright and the index finger and thumb at the top and buttom, upon rotation from left to right for viewing the reverse, the latter will be upside down. Such alignment is called "Coin rotation (alignment)'. Some coins are struck with the obverse and reserve designs mated on an aligment of zero or 360 degrees. If such a piece is held and rotated as described the reverse wil apear upright. This is the aligment which is generally observed in the striking medals and for that reason coins produced in this manner are termed to have been struck in 'Medal rotation (alignment)'." Unquote Medal alignment in Bi-metallics COINS are only made in France: 10 Franc 1991, 1992, 1993, all Bastille, all in BU quality 2500 pieces each year made.. 20 Franc 1992, 1993, both Mont. St. Michel, Tri-metallic and in BU quality, 2000 pieces each year made. 20 Franc 1994, Montesquie, Tri-metallic, in Essai (trial) issue and 1850 pieces made, very Rare. BTW When you look in the KM catalog it's completly wrong for France. Please look in 'The Worlds of Bi-metallics' catalog you all have received. In this catalog I have used the Gadoury catalog numbering. In the section Bi-metallic Tokens and Bi-metallic Medals there are more Coin- and Medal aligments. Next time more. 5. Members Report....By Larry Friemel I have contacted the dealer who's advertisement I saw. That dealer (David Fletcher, P.O. Box 64, Coventry, Great Britain) indicated that he had 5 coins that I did not have. I went a head and paid via VISA for these five coins. Last week they arrived and much to my disappointment, I got five coins but 3 of the 5 were of dates other than he had advertised, other than I had ordered and other than he had invoiced me for. I have spent the last week trying to get in touch with him to either get the right coins or a credit. This morning I received the following FAX: "We have received you FAX. There are a number of points although they are all basically our fault. It is quite rare that we come across a rigid date collector of world coins other than for the UK and our surrounding islands. Our use of dates therefore is often to identify types rather than tofirmly specify the particular coin. But having said that, we do try to be accurate. As far as I know the Bahrain 100f only exists with the 1992 date. Looking back, it seems we have been incorrectly advertising and supplying it for quite some time as a 1991 and you are the firs to point this out. I have now amended our standing records. The Morocco and Taiwan pieces have only recently arrived and the purchase invoice which shows the date has not yet been processed on our computer records. As a result dates were quoted to you without a stock record list to Check against and because they were new the person sending out the order assumed they had to be right. As far as I am aware the Taiwan is a new coin this year so 1995 date will not exist. Whether the Morocco exists with a 1996 date, I don't know. Please return the unwanted coins and we will return postage." I have never run into this instance before, where the advertiser simply places a non-real advertisement with random dates and sends the buyer anything hel ikes as long as it is from the same country. A lesson learned from this is that I will now add to my orders that "SUBSTITUTES FOR DATES OR COUNTRY OTHER THAN ORDERED IS UNACCEPTABLE". I don't know if you have used him and if you have maybe you happened to order something he had with the right dates like theother two coins he shipped me. I am glad I am going to get my money back, but I had hoped the other three coins really existed because we didn't have them cataloged. Now we know why they are not on our lists in the first place Do you have a CoinDealer for the Black-List? Let the members of the WBCC know. 6. Members Report.......By Mike Kahlke Unfortunally, the USA lags such of the rest of the world when it becomes to new innovations in coinage. Cuurently during the 104th Congress, several bills have been introduced concerning one Dollar coins. Senate Bill S.688 (silver dollars), S.784 (Gold-toned dollars) etc, etc. Non of these have to do with Bi-metallics though, just good-colred one dollars coins. But there may still be hope, H.R. 3793 paased the house and is the Senate Banking Committee as of 4 weeks ago; it concerns changing the US quarter doallr for the next ten years, 5 new quarters each year commorating 5 States, for a grand total of 50 different quarters, very much like what Canada did in 1992 with their 12 provincial quarters. Perhaps we'll follw Canada's lead in the future with Bi-metallic coins of our own...... 7. Profile of a member .... Jean Verleg Name: Jean Baptiste Verleg, The Netherlands. E-mail: jbverleg@concepts.nl Age: 55 years Profession: So many done p.e.shipengineer,operator in the oilindustry personnel worker. Now just retired.... Hobbies: Legal or non legal currency from all over the world, general as symbol of art.I also like travelling and creating objects. Against: Sports Goal: Happyness 8. A personal note..... from Tony Chibbaro, tchibbaro@aol.com I am a collector of bimetallic coins, among other things, I have been collecting for 2 or 3 years or so. I have some 60 or 70 different coins, but a'm having trouble obtaining certain ones. Perhaps the WBCC can help. Here is my want list: Algeria 10 Dinars 1992 KM-124 Algeria 20 Dinars 1992 KM-125 Algeria 50 Dinars 1992 KM-126 France 10 Francs 1989 KM-135 San Marino 500 Lire 1987 KM-209 San Marino 500 Lire 1996 Vatican City 500 Lire 1994 KM-257 Vatican City 500 Lire 1995 Vatican City 500 Lire 1996 Australia 5 Dollars 1996 Singapore 5 Dollars 1995 KM-138 9. Helpdesk Worldwide Bi-metallic Collectors Club The Worldwide Bi-metallic Collectors Club is proude to announce a Helpdesk for Bi-metallics. Larry Friemel in the USA, one of the first members, has accepts the function of HELPDESK for the WBCC. So if you a question about Bi-metallcs make contact with Larry, E-mail adress: lrfriemel@ccgate.hac.com Larry will make a selection of the most interesting questions and put it in the weekly Newsmail. 10. How to obtain Bi-metallics....By Martin Peeters There are different ways how to abtain Bi-metallics. Personally I visit Coinshow here in The Netherlands, write or phone to coindealers, put adverts in Coin Newsletters in different countries. Some time I have succes and sometine not. Another way to get Bi-metallics is to ask familly, friends and colleque's to bring some Bi-metallics from the country they visit with there vacation. Last week my sister visited Portugal. And yes, she got me some 6 different Bi-metallics 100 and 200 Escudos. I use them for exchange. In the next issue of the Newsmail I will publish which I have for exchange. Do you have Bi-metallics for exchange ? Please let the members of the WBCC know. 11. Last week's test The test I did last week, to send the Bi-metallic catalog in 2 seperat files, didn't work out as I would like. The problem is that the grafical files from Excel needed about 35 pages to get to you. I have to do some more (inernal) test before I try it again. 12. At last Do you have some nice things on Bi-metallics? Write an artcle for the WBCC Till next Sunday and happy Bi-metallic hunting, Martin, Focal Point WBCC ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Home Power Search Post to Usenet Ask DN Wizard Help Why use DN? | Advertising Info | Press Releases | Jobs | Policy Stuff Copyright © 1995-97 Deja News, Inc. All rights reserved.